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Donna Macauley
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December 29, 2019 11:38 am  

Would anyone be interested in joining me in 2020 on a 52 week photo challenge on 52Frames? It's my first year signing up for the challenge. It might be a fun way to motivate us and help us improve. 

 

https://52frames.com/about


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Raaj
 Raaj
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December 30, 2019 8:35 am  
Posted by: @dmacauley

Would anyone be interested in joining me in 2020 on a 52 week photo challenge on 52Frames? It's my first year signing up for the challenge. It might be a fun way to motivate us and help us improve. 

 

https://52frames.com/about

Hi Donna,

Thanks for sharing this 52Frames challenge.  Very interesting. 

I read the link you sent me briefly.  So is the concept to make images every week, on a defined theme, for 52 weeks?  I can see how that would drive people to make images and challenge creativity.  Is there also critique offered on the images posted?  

BTW, it was a little disturbing to see that there folks are also pushing the "exposure triangle" nonsense in their "training course".  I wish people would stop propagating misinformation like this - they do a whole bunch of beginning photographers a monumental disservice.  

Cheers!

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Donna Macauley
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December 30, 2019 9:15 am  

@rshinde

Hi Raj,

Oh no! I didn't see the exposure triangle nonsense. I saw the 52 weeks where you have a theme each week. You get critique on the image you submit so I thought it would be a good way to push ourselves, but if they aren't giving the right kind of critique, you are correct, they are doing beginners a disservice. 

 

Ah well, if it isn't any good, then no need to do it.


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John Motzi
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December 30, 2019 12:07 pm  

@rshinde - Surely for constant illumination, there is a relationship (N-squared/t) = (LS/K)

Is your complaint about the exposure triangle "nonsense", that folks often claim there is only one "correct" set of exposures determined by equivalent combinations of the above and therefore does not account for the creative use of exposure (in other words, all combinations of the three factors (aperture, ISO, shutter speed) are not artistically equivalent)?

JM

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Ulana
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December 31, 2019 2:23 am  
Posted by: @rshinde
Posted by: @dmacauley

Would anyone be interested in joining me in 2020 on a 52 week photo challenge on 52Frames? It's my first year signing up for the challenge. It might be a fun way to motivate us and help us improve. 

 

https://52frames.com/about

Hi Donna,

Thanks for sharing this 52Frames challenge.  Very interesting. 

I read the link you sent me briefly.  So is the concept to make images every week, on a defined theme, for 52 weeks?  I can see how that would drive people to make images and challenge creativity.  Is there also critique offered on the images posted?  

BTW, it was a little disturbing to see that there folks are also pushing the "exposure triangle" nonsense in their "training course".  I wish people would stop propagating misinformation like this - they do a whole bunch of beginning photographers a monumental disservice.  

Cheers!

@rshinde

Perhaps we should resurrect our monthly challenge? 


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Raaj
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December 31, 2019 12:01 pm  
Posted by: @jmotzi

@rshinde - Surely for constant illumination, there is a relationship (N-squared/t) = (LS/K)

Is your complaint about the exposure triangle "nonsense", that folks often claim there is only one "correct" set of exposures determined by equivalent combinations of the above and therefore does not account for the creative use of exposure (in other words, all combinations of the three factors (aperture, ISO, shutter speed) are not artistically equivalent)?

JM

My problem with this stuff is that there is no "triangle".  With Digital Cameras, especially modern sensors, ISO is a multiplier and it doesn't matter what ISO you shoot at. (for the more part, unless you're doing Astro or other applications where one has measure sensor performance for specific noise characteristics etc.)  Increasing the ISO in camera or pushing "exposure" in post is the same thing.  There's also the poorly named "exposure" slider and what it does in post.  Then there is the fact of ISO-invariance ranges of modern sensors.

The inherent implication that the triangle is a relationship between three quantities - Aperture, Shutter Speed, and ISO is incorrect.  ISO is a multiplier and can be changed to one's heart's content in post.  Also, once the shutter fires, the "exposure" can't be changed in post, if one agrees that the exposure is the quantity of photons captured, so "Exposure" is a bad name for that slider...

This is all nitpicky of course and definitely does not address your point about artistic exposure, let alone ETTR!

Cheers!

P.S:  Any of you that are into this uber-geeky, propeller-head stuff, check this out: https://www.fastrawviewer.com/blog/mystic-exposure-triangle

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Raaj
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December 31, 2019 12:05 pm  
Posted by: @uswitucha
Posted by: @rshinde
Posted by: @dmacauley

Would anyone be interested in joining me in 2020 on a 52 week photo challenge on 52Frames? It's my first year signing up for the challenge. It might be a fun way to motivate us and help us improve. 

 

https://52frames.com/about

Hi Donna,

Thanks for sharing this 52Frames challenge.  Very interesting. 

I read the link you sent me briefly.  So is the concept to make images every week, on a defined theme, for 52 weeks?  I can see how that would drive people to make images and challenge creativity.  Is there also critique offered on the images posted?  

BTW, it was a little disturbing to see that there folks are also pushing the "exposure triangle" nonsense in their "training course".  I wish people would stop propagating misinformation like this - they do a whole bunch of beginning photographers a monumental disservice.  

Cheers!

@rshinde

Perhaps we should resurrect our monthly challenge? 

@uswitucha

Ulana, excellent idea!  Can I please nominate you to kick on the Jan 2020 challenge with a suitable project?  Whatever you nominate, I'm in!

@dmacauley

Donna, how about doing our own version of the 52-week challenge?  I'll be happy to sign up!

Seems like Week One is a Self-Portrait.  Shall we kick this off?

Cheers!


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Donna Macauley
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January 1, 2020 7:28 am  

@rshinde

I'd sign up, too. Let's kick this off. 


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Raaj
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January 1, 2020 8:49 am  
Posted by: @dmacauley

@rshinde

I'd sign up, too. Let's kick this off. 

@dmacauley, @uswitucha, @lcooper, @jweiden, @jmotzi, @lleonard, @kfosiy, @rstesch, @cdavies, @ptravers, @bdicks, @cpat, @dshelton, @shyjuk@lbloom, @lcooper, @salbrecht, @ggodman, @rgoodman, @JMACole, @thauschulz, @vleaver, @NMacLeod, @OFung, @Klehmann, @KGottschall, @Dberman, @BCanepa

Stating the obvious here, the Guerbois Community is miniscule compared to 52Frames.  Such efforts only work if there is participation - just one or two of us signing up will lead to Donna and others who jump in to disappointment.  We'll need to commit to two things - participating in the challenge(s) and religiously providing totally honest critique of the images posted.  Of course, we should all also be prepared for honest critique and not just the "I like it", "Great image" sort of stuff.

Personally, this new year and the next are going to be pretty intense for me work-wise.  However, photography is very important to me and I have come to the realization that I make too many excuses for not shooting.  My aim is to leave that in the past and focus on giving photography the importance that it has to me.  

What say you?  Shall we commit and do this? I'm in!

Cheers!


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Donna Macauley
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January 2, 2020 1:43 pm  

@rshinde

It's looking like this is fizzling. It was worth a shot. Thanks!


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Raaj
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January 2, 2020 4:32 pm  
Posted by: @dmacauley

@rshinde

It's looking like this is fizzling. It was worth a shot. Thanks!

@dmacauley

So far three of us - you, Larry and I.  I suspect @uswitucha might jump in.  I know @jmotzi is traveling almost the entire Q1.  

Even if there is not much enthusiasm for 52 weeks, I'd like to propose a monthly theme.  Will that interest you?

Cheers!


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Larry Leonard
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January 5, 2020 11:31 am  

@rshinde

I think a monthly proposal is very good.  I suspect that the 52 week commitment was too strenuous for most folks.  Good idea, Raaj.


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Ulana
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January 5, 2020 10:42 pm  
Posted by: @lleonard

@rshinde

I think a monthly proposal is very good.  I suspect that the 52 week commitment was too strenuous for most folks.  Good idea, Raaj.

I agree with @lleonard.  Suggest that participation is optional as it has been in the past. 


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Donna Macauley
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January 7, 2020 6:06 am  

Monthly works for me. 


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