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Larry Leonard
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July 17, 2019 2:37 pm  

This image of the Wrigley Building in Chicago was taken on the Fourth of July, and I was awe-struck by the enormity of the US Flag.  As you might have guessed, the Milky Way was composited into the final image.   

Any comments are always appreciated.

 

Thanks.

Wrigley Buiiding 36 Final 3 (Higher Aspect) (10.75x13.75) (Stars Added)  Gigap (13x19) More Crop Snapseed Tonal Contrast AI Clear  More Cropped  Cedar Breaks Milky Way  B&W  IMG 9576


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John Motzi
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July 21, 2019 3:00 pm  

Hi Larry,

I really like the way the flag stands out from the building!  The stripes are really the only white thing, except perhaps the clock dial which is not quite as white.  So for me that works well.  

I like the ideas of the composited stars, but I find the the "clouds" around some of the stars to be distracting - they almost read as water drops or newton rings.

JM 


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Larry Leonard
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July 21, 2019 9:37 pm  

John, thanks for your comments.  I genuinely value your insight.  Could you give me more information about which stars have the "cloud" issue?  The band of dense stars that we think of as the Milky Way rests in a spiral that consists of clouds, gas, dust, and all kinds of stuff.  I am sure you know that.  I mention this because I tried to eliminate the "unsharpness and cloud effect." in that area.  I am not satisfied with the Milky Way in the image.  Is this the area to which you refer?  Secondly, I may have created problems like you are seeing in the processing?

As you know, we must always think of our work culminating in a print.  I have work extensively, i.e. many hours of Photoshop and anal reflection, on this image.  I printed the image yesterday for the first time only to discover a number of major problems.  I now believe the image is over-worked.  In fact, I decided to look again at the original images to see what that would reveal.  Especially, I wanted to determine if the Milky Way image was sharp enough to use.  I am sure it is.  One can only expose astrophotography image so long or star trails arrive.  I continue to really like my initial vision of a composited image with the Milky Way, and I will probably start all over.

The print was a shock since the image looked much better on the computer.  One thing I have learned in this is to make a print much earlier in my work.  I feel like I have been rowing my boat in a stream that is drying up!

Again, please give me more information regarding where you see the "star cloud" problem.

Thanks for taking the time to write a response.

Larry


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John Motzi
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July 22, 2019 9:03 am  

Hi Larry,

First of all, I must say that I enjoy the visual imagery in your comments, especially the anal reflection & rowing the boat in a drying stream.  During my industrial career I claimed to have invented the anality meter, which displayed a person's anality (analness) of a scale of 1 to 10.

I have attached an annotated version of your image, indicating two of the spots which identify what I was trying to convey.  It's essentially posterization - the sky jumps from black to a lighter color in one step.  Perhaps it's due to the "overprocessing "that you mentioned.  If you could avoid that then the image would be nice. 

I like how you placed the dense star clusters at the top right.  Typically folks would avoid placing bright objects near an edge for fear that it would lead the eye out of the frame. In this case however, it balances the brightness of the flag yet doesn't compete with the brightness of the flag.

I hope this explanation is more clear than the first one! 🙂  i am looking forward to seeing the next version of the image.

JM

147 Wrigley Buiiding 36 Final 3 Higher Aspect 1075x1375 Stars Added Gigap 13x19 More Crop Snapseed Tonal Contrast AI Clear More Cropped Cedar Breaks Milky Way BW IMG9576 JM annotated

 


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